Comments on: Prototype: Cioch Liner Jacket – Truly Summer-weight Paramo

By: RedYeti

RedYeti — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 18:17:55 +0000

Hi Butuki :)

I do think Cioch would make another (get them to double up on the shoulders! I still can’t believe the never mentioned that…).

But to be honest, it’s been rather a slog and with the failure I had on the GR5, I’m looking at the Quito…

Good luck with it – I’m very interested to hear if you go ahead with it!

By: Butuki

Butuki — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 04:40:40 +0000

I’ve been following this thread ever since it first came out (googling about windshirt+pump liner combinations). I would still very much like to put together such a system with my Montane LiteSpeed. I just bought the Paramo Velez Adventure Smock Lite and like it a lot, but the front of the smock is way too short.

Would you know how I can possibly get my own liner jacket? Would Cioch still make one?

By: RedYeti

RedYeti — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:56:06 +0000

Oh yes – I got it – but I still think I’d get a sweaty head.

Sadly I know it wouldn’t have helped with the Liner failure since I fashioned something very similar out of a plastic bag and the condensation under it was astonishing (even for the small part of it across my shoulders).

By: Geraint

Geraint — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:25:49 +0000

I don’t think I explained it very well.Its no longer a poncho as such. If you can imagine a poncho with everything missing except the small bit that covers the top of the shoulders and the hood.

By: RedYeti

RedYeti — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:42:35 +0000

Yes – sorry that’s two layers of Pump Liner at the shoulder. I can’t believe they didn’t mention that before!

The poncho idea might have been useful on the GR5 when it failed but I think with the sweat that it would build up I’d still be wet!

By: Geraint

Geraint — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:39:11 +0000

I guess you mean two layers of microfibre at the shoulders? Does that apply to Paramo as well as Cioch I wonder?
My solution to protecting shoulders – I bought a £2.95 vinyl poncho and cut out the hood and shoulders so that I can slip it on over whatever “waterproof” I’m wearing when the weather is really bad. It only weighs 60g and it doesn’t matter that its not breathable.

By: RedYeti

RedYeti — Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:11:27 +0000

I've had the liner jacket fail at the shoulders whilst we were on the GR5. I am rather disgruntled about it! I'm talking to Cioch to try to figure out what might have happened. One thing they mentioned that amazed me that they've never mentioned before - all their jackets have two layers of material at the shoulders. I am not sure if I will be sending the jacket back now since Paramo have brought out the Quito. It has a proper hood - and it should be properly waterpoof! Will have to see if the budget will stretch to it... :) You walked it in Five Fingers? Excellent! We love them.

By: Geraint

Geraint — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:50:29 +0000

Finally had chance to give the ventile/liner jacket a proper test. I walked up Snowdon last weekend in pretty foul weather wearing a merino base layer, liner jacket and single ventile smock and the combination coped really well. i thought water was coming in at one point at the shoulders but could find no evidence. the important thing, i think, is that I was comfortable throughout in a range of weather conditions over several hours.
My one reservation is how well it performs if the ventile wets out but that will have to be for another day.
I also wore a pair of five fingers classics and they performed brilliantly.

By: RedYeti

RedYeti — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 10:43:13 +0000

Sounds like it should work fine Geraint.

I’d be interested in what you discover (also qny info fro, Hilltrek – thanks for that Martin!).

By: Martin Carpenter

Martin Carpenter — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 12:08:47 +0000

Nothing obvious springs to mind.

In fact Hilltrek are making ventile/anology jackets: http://www.hilltrek.co.uk/acatalog/Cotton_Analogy.html. So perhaps worth asking them for details of how they perform?